tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post5387232047509074541..comments2023-08-02T02:26:21.785-07:00Comments on Anti Anti-Mormons: Immanuel and the Highest GodUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-55921704540620788292011-12-16T19:54:58.194-08:002011-12-16T19:54:58.194-08:00@ Anonymous 10/20/2011 11:19 PM
God is three in o...@ Anonymous 10/20/2011 11:19 PM<br /><br />God is three in one. Just because it would be easier to understand Him if He wasn't does not change the truth.Truth is truth,no matter if it is comfy.Every false religion has gotten the idea of the Trinity<br />wrong because it is hard to understand. (yes, I said the idea, because the actual word isn't in scripture.)I believe because no man can understand it,man could not have come up with it. I think that is one thing that gives the idea of the Trinity much credence. We can't understand it so we twist it into false ideas of God like that there are many gods, or there is one God, but he is not embodied in three persons. You have to believe the word or not. No other choice. Truth is not subjective"<br /><br />Good grief! Does that statement come with a top hat, a rabbit, and perhaps a puff of white smoke?<br /><br />Please do explain how is it that, "no man can understand it", yet Trinitarians such as yourself have such a firm grasp on God's character. <br />Moreover, why are "Christians" fixated on a doctrine developed on heretical views? - Tertullian was a Montanist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-6120140338887538612011-10-20T23:19:07.104-07:002011-10-20T23:19:07.104-07:00Jesus said that "I and my Father are one.&quo...Jesus said that "I and my Father are one." John 10:30, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God." John 1:1. So Jesus said He was equal with the Father, He said He and the Father were one.<br />Now here's another testimony to the trinity:John 14:36, But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,Whom the Father will send in My Name, will teach you all things,and bring to remembrance all the things I said to you." Matthew 28:19, " Go therefore and make disciples of<br /> all nations baptizing them in the name if the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In contrast,in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep.And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."Genesis 1:1Then in chapter one verse 26 we are faced with a connundrum: "Let Us make man in Our own image, according to Our likeness;" and then in the very next verse it says man was created in God's image,not plural. " So God created man in His own image; in the image of God he created him; male and female He created them" God is three in one. Just because it would be easier to understand Him if He wasn't does not change the truth.Truth is truth,no matter if it is comfy.Every false religion has gotten the idea of the Trinity<br />wrong because it is hard to understand. (yes, I said the idea, because the actual word isn't in scripture.)I believe because no man can understand it,man could not have come up with it. I think that is one thing that gives the idea of the Trinity much credence. We can't understand it so we twist it into false ideas of God like that there are many gods, or there is one God, but he is not embodied in three persons. You have to believe the word or not. No other choice. Truth is not subjective, the Bible has been aroung alot longer than the book of mormon has. You believe the Bible or the book of Mormon, Revelation 22:18 "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to these things,God will add him to the plagues which are written in this book.""Truly, Truly I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but enters in another way,that man is a theif and a robber." John 10:1. Joseph Smith entered another way other than the Door to the sheep. Jesus says about himself: " But he who enters by the door of the sheep is the Shepherd of the sheep." and, "So Jesus said again to them, truly,truly I say to you, I am the Door of the sheep." He entered by saying the church was corrupt, and denying Jesus deity. Just something to think about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-43696003539517105362011-05-19T16:08:43.342-07:002011-05-19T16:08:43.342-07:00Blind faith Lance?Blind faith Lance?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-24089694948668553192011-05-19T16:07:08.602-07:002011-05-19T16:07:08.602-07:00That seems reasonable to me Wendell.That seems reasonable to me Wendell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-8744917513263334822011-05-12T12:57:31.818-07:002011-05-12T12:57:31.818-07:00just wondering about your refrence to God or Jesus...just wondering about your refrence to God or Jesus having a wife. Could you point me to where this was said besides Talmage.. Thanks much.Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586474777727230433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-77409667344627176052011-04-11T20:22:29.413-07:002011-04-11T20:22:29.413-07:00'This is life eternal, that they might know TH...'This is life eternal, that they might know THEE, AND Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent."<br /><br />Why do so many Christians who claim to "know" the Biblical Christ, then tell us it is blasphemous to think we can comprehend God? Why do Trinitarians crave an unknowable God, when Jesus told us he came to show us the Father? Where does Jesus castigate people for wanting to know and comprehend God? One minute Trinitarians declare that they "know" the God of the Bible and in the next breath they tell me that even wanting to know my Father is a blasphemous pursuit. While I am at it, do they believe God has a body? I can hear them screaming at the thought. GOD IS A Spirit I can hear them saying. Yet, the unanimous witness of all the apostles is that God became incarnate (The Word) died and was resurrected, and ascended into heaven as an embodied being. He told his apostles to handle him and see. It seems to me that modern Trinitarians are willing to trade away the body of Christ for a doctrine invented by theologians, not one taught by Jesus or any apostle or any true prophet. If Jesus is God, and all fullness dwells in him bodily, then God is embodied. So believed the ancient saints, so believe the modern saints.Wendellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04884116950973882425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-13044395001198148182011-04-11T20:13:00.344-07:002011-04-11T20:13:00.344-07:00Jesus never taught the doctrine of the Trinity. Pa...Jesus never taught the doctrine of the Trinity. Paul never taught it, Peter never taught it, John never taught it, James never taught it. Luke never taught it. Mary never taught it. The list goes on. The Bible tells us in a host of places that there is a divine council populated by real divine beings. That is the context of multiple persons in the Godhead. It was then and it is now. The trinity is a derived doctrine from the fourth century of the common era. It has no precedent before then. Someone show me where anyone learning of Jesus from an Apostle was first given a litmus test question regarding the persons of the Trinity being of one undivided eternally equal and co-eternal substance before being baptized. That would be an interesting thing to see.Wendellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04884116950973882425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-25902107522832957692011-03-01T14:59:53.315-08:002011-03-01T14:59:53.315-08:00Interesting thoughts here. I had to look up Acts ...Interesting thoughts here. I had to look up Acts 17:18 to try and get what you were saying about it. Jesus would have been a strange God to the Athens alright.<br />I think that for as long as we try to have a god who is somewhat understandable by our comprehension, the concept of the trinity will not make sense. If we allow our concept of God to go beyond our imagination, I think we being to understand the Trinity. If you want to understand a deeper concept of the Trinity, one in which one member might pray to the other, I might suggest reading the chapter called "the three-personal God" in C.S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity. <br />I doubt that chapter will change your beliefs, but it will help you to understand ours better. The concept of the trinity, and its lack of acceptance by the LDS Church hinge on many intertwined doctrines. If you assume those doctrines to be true, then there is no room for the trinitarian concept.<br />Over all I'd say that your blog is well written, and interesting, though you make some broad statements which I am not sure you could back up.<br /><br />Patriciayetihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063558865333842640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-6442430535268042262011-02-18T13:24:40.652-08:002011-02-18T13:24:40.652-08:00I think you have a "straw man" Trinity d...I think you have a "straw man" Trinity doctrine in your head.<br /><br />I have no logical dilemma about God the Father appearing next to Jesus, or about the Holy Spirit appearing at Jesus' baptism. The doctrine of the trinity teaches that they are 3 persons, 1 God. 1 person can be next to another person. Besides, I am not convinced that "Jesus sitting at the right hand of God" is a literal picture, as I do not believe God the Father to have a body.<br /><br />And how does giving glory to God the Father prove he is superior to Jesus?<br /><br />It is interesting that you take John 10 to be a claim of Jesus to be inferior to God, as the people of his day obviously took it to be a claim of divinity (that's why they picked up stones to stone him).Hannahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-41699166586074493932011-02-06T12:06:40.506-08:002011-02-06T12:06:40.506-08:00(Jesus) "who, existing in the form of God, di...(Jesus) "who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,"(Philipians 2:6)<br /><br />So, No, God is not Jesus' Superior.<br /><br />Bob, we were not meant to figure it out, but to believe it. Paul refers to this supposed 'dilemma' as the 'Mystery' of the Godhead.<br /><br />If we insist on making Jesus (Emanuel) a separate God, then we're doing what I used to do as a Jehovah's Witness. We said that Jesus was 'a' god but not The God (Jehovah) as John 1:1 declares.<br /><br />And we all know that the Mormon Prophets regard Jehovah's Witnesses as an apostate group. And that would include everything they believe about Jesus too.<br /><br />Something to consider.Lance Marchettihttp://www.inephi.comnoreply@blogger.com