tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post7801325543605205486..comments2023-08-02T02:26:21.785-07:00Comments on Anti Anti-Mormons: Earning CondemnationUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-1866673776439504602008-08-03T19:18:00.000-07:002008-08-03T19:18:00.000-07:00Thanks for the quick response. I try to do my own...Thanks for the quick response. I try to do my own research but sometimes it's nice to have something pointed out. Your very clear and precise. <BR/><BR/>Thanks once again.<BR/><BR/>MikeMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03935665571944501251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-21331401145359666642008-08-03T07:58:00.000-07:002008-08-03T07:58:00.000-07:00Thanks for your comments Mike.Here are passages I ...Thanks for your comments Mike.<BR/><BR/>Here are passages I use to develop the concept that Jesus and Satan ARE literally spiritual brothers. I have to say, as the Church has noted recently, this is really pretty unimportant from any practical perspective. It is like saying it matters that two children who are adopted to separate families are alike, even though one turns out to be a mass murderer, and the other a great humanitarian.<BR/><BR/>In any case, I start with the premise that Jesus has a spirit, separate from THE Spirit: Matt 27:50; Mark 15:39; Luke 23:46; John 19:30; John 20:22-- This verse shows that there is a separate spirit, THE SPIRIT, being given by Christ.<BR/><BR/>Next, I affirm that Satan, Lucifer and devils are in fact spirits. Matt 8:16; Luke 7:21; Luke 8:2.<BR/><BR/>Next we can show that God the Father is the father of all spirits: Hebrews 12:9 "Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto <B>the Father of spirits</B>, and live? "<BR/><BR/>The Church issued a statement in December 2007 where they briefly but clearly addressed this issue. You can find it here: http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/answering-media-questions-about-jesus-and-satan<BR/><BR/>Isaiah teaches that Lucifer is a fallen "son of the morning"<BR/><BR/>I find it interesting, then, that we also find this in Job: <BR/> "6 ΒΆ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them." Job 1:6 <BR/><BR/>So the sons of God show up, and among them is Satan. In the footnote of www.netbible.com for this verse, they note the phrase "sons of god" was understood to be lessor gods by the surrounding Semetic cultures, but they take it to mean angels or divine beings subordinate to God. They then note Satan is there because he is one of them, fallen of course, but not fully cast down to hell.<BR/><BR/>The FAIRWIKI.com also points out that the early Christian, Lactantius, also observed that Lucifer and Jesus were both spirit brothers from the same heavenly Father. See the Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 7:52-53.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, Romans 10:29 says this about our relationship to Jesus:<BR/>"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." <BR/><BR/>Jesus' image is that of God (Philippians 2:6 "form of God", which means the external or visible image). The fact is all spirits are related through the fact that God the Father is the Father of all Spirits, but uniquely also the Father of the body of Christ, which is completely unique. (Acts 17:28-29). It was understood that devils where fallen evil spirits. Fallen from the presence of God, God we note is the Father of spirits. <BR/><BR/>Jesus has a spirit. We have spirits. Satan and devils are spirits. Thus we have a relationship. The D&C 93:29 explains that we all have existed eternally as intelligence. Thus Jesus is not a created being, as the critics of the Church attempt to assert. It is just an attempt to try to define Jesus in ways we as Mormons do not.<BR/><BR/>I hope this is helpful.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03604900070308099497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6999280.post-68385131684261288452008-08-01T21:27:00.000-07:002008-08-01T21:27:00.000-07:00Love your site. I think I read all of your posts....Love your site. I think I read all of your posts. <BR/><BR/>In your post Jesus is Satan's Spiritual brother you didn't finish explaining your point cause she stormed off. I've got a friend that didn't like my explanation cause I couldn't figure out how to back it up with the Bible. Please email me back your passages. Thanks <BR/><BR/>MikeMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03935665571944501251noreply@blogger.com