Saturday, December 05, 2009

Are Mormons Christians? Nearly Everyone Says Yes

This is a survey found in Christianity Today. Please go there to read the entire article.

Are Mormons Christian? How Christian groups answer the question?

All Americans
No 31%
Don't know 17%
Yes 52%

Evangelical Protestants
No 45%
Don't know 15%
Yes 40%

Mainline Protestants
No 23%
Don't know 15%
Yes 62%

Black Protestants
No 30%
Don't know 27%
Yes 43%

Catholics
No 29%
Don't know 19%
Yes 52%
Copyright © 2009 Christianity Today.

Interesting that the only group who has a majority saying "No, Mormons are not Christian" are Evangelicals, and even there it is 45% say no and 40% say yes. To use their analysis about LDS beliefs, I guess their little group has a corner on truth the other 210 million Americans have missed.

42 comments:

Walker said...

Priceless.

However, I'll take Mouw over McKeever anyday.

bunker said...

Most likely they think anyone that doesn't believe EXACTLY as they do in their man made version of the Gospel is not a Christian. As a LDS guy I think all of these groups are Christian. Some just don't have as much of the truth as others.

Chad said...

Hey Bob,

Merry Christmas to you Brother! This is an interesting survey I like it. I will be posting about "Are Mormons Christians" in the future. Check out my Christmas message on the blog.

take care, chad

therealmormontruth.blogspot.com

boyd said...

You believe you are actually Christians, because that's what the Church says and a few surveys from people that know little to nothing of LDS.

You criticize other churches for baptizing babies, but think eight year old children are responsible adults

While buying a 64-ounce soda refill and a candy bar at the convenience store you worry about the health of the trim, muscular guy in front of you buying a 12-ounce can of beer.

When your high school American History class talked about the American Indians coming to America by crossing the Bering Strait you had a small crisis of faith.

You believe that the temple ceremonies, including the five points of brotherhood, were revealed to Joe Smith and did not come from the Masons.

You believe that God named his church The Church of Christ in 1830, that he renamed it The Church of Latter Day Saints in 1834, and that He changed the name to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1838

You don't believe Christ died for all of your sins so you must keep on working to get to heaven

You believe all three versions of the first vision.

You believe that there are 16 prophets, seers and revelators on the earth today, even after they paid Mark Hofmann thousands of dollars for phony, bogus, and fraudulent documents.

You believe Joe Smith's translation of the Egyptian papyri, which is now called the Book of Abraham, and not the many current Egyptian scholars' translations.

You are only 21 and are called a "High Priest

While dating, a little petting and oral sex was forgivable but you'd die before touching a cup of coffee even once

You have no problem excluding non-member family from witnessing temple marriage ceremonies, but would scream persecution from the top of your lungs if you are ever denied anything based on your religion.

You think people who have mohawks and earrings in their nose look funny, but think you look cool sporting a green apron and a chiefs cap

You think various handshakes and oaths are needed to get into heaven

You believe Joseph Smith's and Jesus's deaths are shockingly similiar-In that they both went 'as a lamb to the slaughter.' Disregarding the known fact that Joseph Smith killed three people on his way down. Very lamb-like I'd say

You are too afraid to do serious non-biased research into the origins of Mormonism and to study the truth of early Christianity.

Walker said...

You believe you are actually Christians, because that's what the Church says and a few surveys from people that know little to nothing of LDS."

No, we believe we are Christians because we follow Christ. We just think it is interesting that the only brand of Christian that really thinks we are not Christian is the one that contains the counter-cult movements. I think it speaks volumes of the Evangelical movement more so than Mormons.

"but think eight year old children are responsible adults"

Wrong. We think eight year old children can distinguish between right and wrong.

"While buying a 64-ounce soda refill and a candy bar at the convenience store you worry about the health of the trim, muscular guy in front of you buying a 12-ounce can of beer."

Really? I've never given it a second thought. Though, I honestly can't remember such an instance happening.

"the American Indians coming to America by crossing the Bering Strait you had a small crisis of faith."

That is funny because I recall thinking, "I guess that is how others got here."

"You believe that the temple ceremonies, including the five points of brotherhood, were revealed to Joe Smith and did not come from the Masons."

I actually think Masonry acted as a catalyst to revelation.

"You believe that God named his church The Church of Christ in 1830, that he renamed it The Church of Latter Day Saints in 1834, and that He changed the name to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1838"

And has stuck to it since 1838.

"You don't believe Christ died for all of your sins so you must keep on working to get to heaven"

Yet, not in the fashion of a paycheck, but in the since of a relationship and covenant. This is what those in ancient times believed. Grace was a reciprocal system.

"You believe all three versions of the first vision."

Good thing they don't conflict.

"You believe that there are 16 prophets, seers and revelators on the earth today, even after they paid Mark Hofmann thousands of dollars for phony, bogus, and fraudulent documents."

And?

"You believe Joe Smith's translation of the Egyptian papyri, which is now called the Book of Abraham, and not the many current Egyptian scholars' translations."

Wasn't aware that there was an Egyptian translation of the Book of Abraham. I was only aware of the Book of Breathings.

"You are only 21 and are called a "High Priest"

I'm 23 and I'm still an Elder. A good number of my quorum are in their 40s and 50s and are still Elders.

"a little petting and oral sex was forgivable but you'd die before touching a cup of coffee even once"

What?

Walker said...

"would scream persecution from the top of your lungs if you are ever denied anything based on your religion"

Depends on what it is. Retarded generalizations aren't helpful.

"think you look cool sporting a green apron and a chiefs cap"

About as cool as the ancient priests.

"You think various handshakes and oaths are needed to get into heaven"

I think rituals and symbolism help teach principles that are necessary for exaltation.

"You believe Joseph Smith's and Jesus's deaths are shockingly similiar"

Like the death of most prophets.

"Disregarding the known fact that Joseph Smith killed three people on his way down."

Actually, they were wounded, not killed. John Taylor was incorrect.

That horrible Joseph Smith: how dare he practice self-defense and defense of his friends and family (one of which had just been killed).

On a political note, I have very little respect for those who would condemn one who kills a would-be murderer in self-defense or defense of another.

"You are too afraid to do serious non-biased research into the origins of Mormonism and to study the truth of early Christianity."

Since this misguided diatribe was a shining example of unbiased, intellectual research and all...

Walker said...

Once again, boyd gives a frivolous shotgun approach filled with caricatures, generalizations, inaccurate conclusions, and blatant falsities.

Pick a subject, boyd, rather than providing us with such an intellectually shallow list.

Anonymous said...

"No, we believe we are Christians because we follow Christ."

No, you follow the lies of Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was a false prophet, and he is the founder of your faith. Ouch.

Walker said...

"No, you follow the lies of Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was a false prophet, and he is the founder of your faith. Ouch."

My friend David Bokovoy had much to say about the idea that Mormons are not Christians over at MADB:

"The Greek word Christianos appears as a substantive a total of three times in the Bible (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16). As Schneider observes in volume 3 of The Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament published by Eerdmans, the name Christian “presupposes that confession of Christ constituted the characteristic feature of Jesus’ adherents.” (478) That's it.
This means that according to the biblical definition, anyone who confesses the name of Christ is a Christian. So clearly from the biblical definition, the characteristic feature, which makes a person a Christian, covers a variety of diverse religious sects, including a church which confesses the name of Christ in its very title, the Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. But there’s more. And thanks in part to people like [Anonymous], members of the Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter-day Saints fully qualify for this expanded biblical usage. 1 Peter 4:16 specifically uses the term Christian to refer to those who suffer harassment as a result of their confessed belief in the name Christ. Hence, according to 1 Peter 4:16, a person is a Christian if he or she is simply “reproached ‘for the name of Christ’ (v. 14) (see Ibid.). So, since Latter-day Saints (1) confess a belief in Christ as witnessed in the very name of our Church and (2) are specifically reproached by other Christians such as [Anonymous] for our confessed belief in the name, clearly members of the Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter-day Saints fall perfectly into the biblical definition of the term, perhaps even more so than Catholics and/or Evangelicals (though I wouldn't deny that either of these two groups are Christians either). From my perspective, we really should thank our fellow Christians such as [Anonymous] who help us reach this expanded biblical usage of the term Christian via their reproach for our confessed belief in Christ: “Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf” (1 Peter 4:16)."

So, thanks Anonymous for making us even more Christian (Ouch).

Walker said...

As I said on another post, at the recently held meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society, Ronn Johnson of Northwestern College presented a paper entitled “Variations on the Shema: How Multiple Yahwisms Played a Positive Role in Israelite Religion.” Michael Heiser commented on it on his blog. It seems that most of the ancient Israelites didn't have a great amount of exposure to the Torah and would therefore come up with various and often incorrect understandings of Yahweh. However, they could still be considered Yahwists because their loyalty was to Yahweh, NOT the Torah.

My friend Daniel McClellan recently attended a conference over at Oxford where it was argued that the early Semitic worldview was orthopraxic rather than orthodoxic. The assimilation into the Greek philosophical worldview is what caused the change. Such is the reason that Christians nowadays are more worried about you believing in the Trinity or the infallibility of the Bible than you being a good person.

Walker said...

Correction: I'm not sure if the conference was at Oxford or just in the area. He didn't specify when I read about it. I just assumed since that is where Daniel is attending. But it could have been before he even moved to Oxford.

Anonymous said...

But, you follow a prophet which can be proven to have given false prophecies. What does that do to your religion? Joseph Smith created Mormonism....

Anonymous said...

Walker,

So you are Christians because you have the word Christ in the name of your church?

Tony said...

@Walker.

NICE. Keep pwn'n em!

Walker said...

"But, you follow a prophet which can be proven to have given false prophecies."

Without specifics, I can't comment.

"So you are Christians because you have the word Christ in the name of your church?"

Well, you pulled this from the context that Christ is confessed in the very name of the Church. The confession is the main point, with the Church's name being a side-point. Then, we suffer for the name thanks to those who try to strip us of the title Christian.

Even using strictly biblical definitions, we fit the category. If you don't like that, take it up with Eerdsmans.

Anonymous said...

"My friend David Bokovoy had much to say about the idea that Mormons are not Christians over at MADB:"

That's funny, I never mentioned you as Christians. I have always thought of Mormons as a cult.

Cult: followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

Walker said...

"I never mentioned you as Christians"

Therefore, it is logical to assume that you don't think we follow under that category.

"I have always thought of Mormons as a cult"

Well, nothing is more authoritative than what Anonymous thinks.

"Cult"

That certainly is one way to use it.

For a journalistic approach:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2012337/posts

For a more academic approach:
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/kathleen_flake/2007/09/no_joke_1.html

Anonymous said...

But even without specifics on those false prophecies, you've never heard that before?

Anonymous said...

Ok, lets say you were Christians. Do you believe in the same things as other Christians?

Cody D said...

Does the cult definition fit Mormonism though?

Walker said...

"But even without specifics on those false prophecies, you've never heard that before?"

Of course of heard it. I've also heard a number of examples, which was shown to be incorrect on the reader's part.

"Ok, lets say you were Christians."

I will because I am.

"Do you believe in the same things as other Christians?"

I don't believe all doctrines of every other Christian denomination and neither do they. But we all point to Christ as our head. Even if I disagree with particulars on their understanding of Christ, I still consider them Christian. This is following the example of the ancient Israelites: I do not question or reject their sincere loyalty to Christ just because they misinterpret the texts they read.

Bob the Anti-Anti said...

Do Mormons belong to a cult? Yes.

Before Mr. Walter Martin hi-jacked the word cult with its current negative meaning, everyone who follows Jesus would by definition belong to a cult. Cult means a devotion to a person or system of beliefs, usually with zeal, and is considered a split off from some other more orthodox body.

That was the definition of Christianity in the first several centuries. There are numerous references to the "Cult of the Christians" or similar statements in history.

Traditional Christians were formerly proud of being a cult. Now they take it as a statement of pride they are not.

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which he restored through his first prophet of the last dispensation of the history of the Earth. I am not ashamed to be a minority group whose devotion is seen as zealous to their beliefs. I am not ashamed that the Traditional Christians find me heretical from their passionless, unrevealed system of incomprehensible concepts. I rejoice to call Jesus my Savior, and I strive to live my life in a way to show that I love him.

I am happy to be in the Cult of Christianity, as revealed in the Bible and restored by the prophet Joseph Smith.

If someone wonders if they are in the true Church, they should ask themselves when was the last time they looked at the definition of "Cult", and were pleased to acknowledge they do belong to one.

Thanks,
Bob

Sebastian said...

Cody,

Are Mormons Christian? No. Read this:

http://www.seafox.com/mormons.html

As for Bob's comment:

"everyone who follows Jesus would by definition belong to a cult."

This is not true. There is freedom in Christ but there is bondage in Mormonism. Mormonism tries to lock you in so you can't get out. If you are locked in because of your family, then it is even more difficult to leave. If you are a Christian attending a Baptist church and wish to switch to a Methodist church or a Lutheran, you can do that without a fuss. If you are Mormon and wish to switch to another church, they come after you, coming to your house and calling you wondering where you are if don't attend church. Here is a cult checklist (which nearly all apply to the Mormon church):

http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

This checklist does not apply to the body of believers today who call themselves true Christians.

Sebastian said...

continued from above ...

In response to another comment made by Bob:

"I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which he restored through his first prophet of the last dispensation of the history of the Earth."

Cody, read the Bible carefully and compare it's gospel to the one that the Mormon church teaches. It is very different. Mormon gospel is not the gospel of Jesus Christ, it is the gospel of Joseph Smith.

Paul says in Gal 1:8-9

"8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

Joseph Smith was a false prophet. He made many false prophecies.

Read these:

http://www.carm.org/false-prophecies-of-joseph-smith

http://contenderministries.org/mormonism/falseprophet.php

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/835357/posts

http://www.exmormon.org/prophet.htm

http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/mormonism/book-abraham-papyri-and-joseph-smith

In Deut 18:20-22 it says:

"20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Cody, stay away from the Mormon church. It is a cult that teaches a false gospel. The Bible warns you. Read it.

God Bless,
Sebastian

JD said...

"You believe Joseph Smith's and Jesus's deaths are shockingly similiar-In that they both went 'as a lamb to the slaughter.' Disregarding the known fact that Joseph Smith killed three people on his way down. Very lamb-like I'd say

You are too afraid to do serious non-biased research into the origins of Mormonism and to study the truth of early Christianity."

Good one Boyd! All of the facts you present are absolutely true!

Jake said...

“No, we believe we are Christians because we follow Christ.”

No, you follow a false Christ and a false gospel that Joseph Smith fabricated.



“"but think eight year old children are responsible adults"

Wrong. We think eight year old children can distinguish between right and wrong.”

Eight year old children do not have the mental capacity nor maturity to make decisions when it comes to voting and yet you believe that they can make a decision on their salvation (which is more important) at eight years of age. Mormons start the brain washing at a young age then.


“"the American Indians coming to America by crossing the Bering Strait you had a small crisis of faith."

That is funny because I recall thinking, "I guess that is how others got here."”

Prior to 2006, the book of Mormon read that the Lamanites were the primary ancestors of the American Indians. After the DNA evidence came out, the church changed it to “they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.”



“"You don't believe Christ died for all of your sins so you must keep on working to get to heaven"

Yet, not in the fashion of a paycheck, but in the since of a relationship and covenant.”

D&C 130: 20-21
20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

In other words, obey and you will get blessings. Sounds like a paycheck to me.


“This is what those in ancient times believed. Grace was a reciprocal system.”

Not anymore:

Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Jake said...

“"You believe that there are 16 prophets, seers and revelators on the earth today, even after they paid Mark Hofmann thousands of dollars for phony, bogus, and fraudulent documents."

And?”

And being prophets, seers and revelators, they didn’t recognize that they were fraudulent? And furthermore, they tried to suppress them because their contents were damaging to the church.



“"Disregarding the known fact that Joseph Smith killed three people on his way down."

Actually, they were wounded, not killed. John Taylor was incorrect.”

That’s not true, Walker. I’m not sure where you are getting your facts but you are wrong on that one.


“That horrible Joseph Smith: how dare he practice self-defense and defense of his friends and family (one of which had just been killed).”

This is not a “lamb going to the slaughter” like the church claims. It was not a martyrdom. It was a shoot out. And Joseph Smith wasn’t defending his family. He was defending himself. Once he saw that his brother was killed, he realized that he was next so he shot the attackers through the door (not the other way around - shooting before his brother got hit in order to protect him). Then he ran for the window in a cowardly attempt to save himself.

It’s also interesting to note, that a few minutes before this, someone informed him that men with guns were approaching and he said that it was his militia coming to save them. He thought he would escape from this pickle too like all the others he had escaped from. And if you think about it, where was his militia? Where were Brigham Young and the Danites to protect him? It’s interesting that it was his people that not only turned him in to the authorities, but they also did not show up to defend or protect him. Why?

You know why. Because they finally saw him for what he was - a fraud. That's why he destroyed the printing press, so people would not expose him. The reason he was killed was because he was threatening the democracy that America was trying to preserve at the time by introducing two elements of barbarism - polygamy and tyranny.

Walker said...

In response to the individual who took the lazy shotgun approach and posted websites:

fairlds.org

maxwellinstitute.org

Walker said...

"No, you follow a false Christ and a false gospel that Joseph Smith fabricated."

So you say.

"yet you believe that they can make a decision on their salvation (which is more important) at eight years of age."

I didn't say they understood every aspect of doctrine. I said they could distinguish between right and wrong.

"The fundamental way we know our faith to be true is through the self-authenticating witness of God's Holy Spirit...What that implies is that even the most ignorant person...can know with confidence that Christianity is true because the Holy Spirit witnesses to him that it is true. It means that a mentally retarded person or a CHILD can have a confident and rational faith in Christ because of the witness of the Spirit." (William Lane Craig, 100 Huntley Street Q&A)

"Mormons start the brain washing at a young age then."

Richard Dawkins says this of all religious parents who attempt to teach their children. I disagree.

"Prior to 2006..."

What is your point?

"D&C 130: 20-21"

Mosiah 2 mentions this as well. However, it is in the context of describing us as "eternally indebted" to God. One cannot earn from or obligate another that they are eternally indebted to.

"Not anymore"

Actually, 'grace' was a reciprocal system in NT times. This is the context in which Paul spoke of grace and faith:

"Grace must be met with grace; favor must always give birth to favor; gift must always be met with gratitude. An image that captured [the idea of grace] for the ancients was the picture of three goddesses, the three "Graces," dancing hand in hand in a circle...from [many] ancient witnesses, we learn that there is no such thing as an isolated act of grace. An act of favor and its manifestation (the gift) initiate a circle dance in which the recipients of favor and gifts must "return the favor," that is, give again to the giver...Only a gift requited is a gift well and nobly received. To fail to return favor for favor is, in effect, to break off the dance and destroy the beauty of the gracious act." (David DeSilva, Honor, Patronage, Kinship and Purity: Unlocking New Testament Culture, 2000)

Walker said...

"And being prophets, seers and revelators, they didn’t recognize that they were fraudulent?"

Why would their apostolic positions make them experts in forgery?

"That’s not true, Walker. I’m not sure where you are getting your facts but you are wrong on that one."

The sources saying they died are from John Taylor and Parley Pratt, neither of which are first-hand.

William Gallaher, William Voras, and John Wills were all indicted for Smith's murder, but none were arrested. They were actually given new suits as rewards for being involved in Smith's murder.

A brief article on the subject can be found here:

http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/jsmartyr.pdf

"It was not a martyrdom."

Martyrdom means dying for a principle. It has nothing to do with whether or not you fight back. To say it does is a redefinition.

"It was a shoot out."

It was self-defense.

"And Joseph Smith wasn’t defending his family."

I said family and friends. Technically, Hyrum was already dead.

"He was defending himself."

And friends. There were two others.

"Once he saw that his brother was killed, he realized that he was next so he shot the attackers through the door"

He realized that not only he would die, but possibly the other two as well.

"Then he ran for the window in a cowardly attempt to save himself."

Inflammatory language. Willard Richards

In regards to Joseph Smith and the Nauvoo Legion, his letters to Emma from Carthage instructed her to forbid the assembly of people. This article is more in depth:
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Martyrdom/Nauvoo_Legion_to_rescue_Joseph

Walker said...

I didn't complete my thought about Joseph supposedly being a coward by going to the window.

Willard Richards was of the opinion that Joseph went to the window in an attempt to draw fire to himself and save his friends. We can't know for sure. The difference, however, between Jake's opinion and Richards' is that Richards knew Joseph personally and was actually there. Jake can say neither about himself.

Cody D said...

Thank you Sebastian, but I have done the research of the Mormon church and know that it was made up by a false prophet.

Sincerely,

Cody

boyd said...

To really boil this down, This becomes point-counterpoint, redirected counterpoint. Debating the Bible here is not the issue. The understanding I have is this. Mormons believe heavily in works. A coworker tried to convert me with the works is dead passage. Which I do not believe. I also do not believe that Jesus cant save you in your sin. You have to clean your self up before Jesus can save you. I believe that Jesus is the only thing, and not works that can save me. Or I would just clean myself up and would not need Jesus. You also believe that you are Christians. I would tell you this. If you believe in Jesus AND fill in the blank with say JS, than you are not a Christian. And is the sentence modifier. Jesus and means in addition to. Jesus IS the way, the truth and the light. There also is no God(s) before, after or instead of or in addition to EL SHADDAI.

Walker said...

Thanks for sharing what you believe, boyd.

I believe you have a flawed understanding of faith and grace. But everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe.

"I would tell you this. If you believe in Jesus AND fill in the blank with say JS, than you are not a Christian."

Do you believe in Paul, Peter, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Moses, etc.? Guess you aren't a Christian...

boyd said...

Here are some more references to the Mormo practice you are involved in.

www.mormonstruth.org/LDSoccult.html

http://thecomforter.info/main/content/view/32/40/

How about these Mormo facts:

Mormos say that they think "familiar spirits" are good, and that their Book of Mormon has a "familiar spirit". Leviticus 19;31 says familiar spirits defile one, and are to be avoided at all costs.


Mormos believe that the "heavenly father" they ask you to pray to with them, is really an exalted man that lives on a planet near the star base Kolob, and is not the Heavenly Father of the Bible at all.

Mormos believe that that they encourage visitations from dead relatives from the "spirit world", a practice forbidden in the Bible. (Deuteronomy 18:10- 12.)

Mormos also believe that they expect Christ to return to their temple in Missouri, but they haven't built the temple He's supposed to return to, because they don't own the property. (It is owned by the "Temple Lot Mormons" who have plans o of their own, and won't let the Salt Lake City group buy it).

It is interesting to note that according to Anton Lavey's Satanic Bible, the demon god of the living dead is called "Mormo". Is it just a coincidence that the Mormons are so concerned with the dead?

Is it true that on their Salt Lake City Temple they prominently display an upside-down star which is a Satanic symbol known as the Goat's head?


Hmmmm....

boyd said...

Is Mormonism Christian?

1. Mormonism teaches that there is more than one God.

True or False?

True. This is an direct conflict with what God Himself says on this subject in the Bible (Isaiah 44:6 and 8, 45:5, 6, 18, 21, 22). This also mysteriously contradicts the Book of Mormon (Alma 11:22, 26-31, and 35). Who is right: God, or the president of the Mormon Church?

2. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ is the spirit-brother of Lucifer.

True or False?

True. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 13, page 282. This doctrine goes hand-in-hand with the teaching that Christ is a created being and not eternal God, the Creator (John 1:3, 10; Nehemiah 9:6) This, too, contradicts the Book of Mormon (Helaman 14:12, Mosiah 3: 8 and 5:15).

3. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ was born after sexual intercourse between God the Father and Mary (thereby denying the virgin birth)

True or False?

True. See Journal of discourses, Volume 4, page 218, for an example. Many Mormons are unfamiliar with this doctrine of their church, but this is nonetheless a cardinal teaching. This contradicts both the Bible (Matthew 1:23) and the Book of Mormon (Alma 7:10). Beginning to see a pattern?

4. Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.

True or False?

True. See Doctrine and Covenants, Section 130. The Bible, as usual, disagrees with both Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church (John 4:24, Luke 24:39, Jeremiah 23:24).

5. Mormonism teaches that God the Father was once a man.

True or False?

True. Joseph Smith, prophet and founder of the Mormon Church, taught this in the "King Follett Discourse," his last major address, and the Mormon Church teaches it to this very day (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 5 and 6). This is a violent contradiction with not only the bible, but with the Book of Mormon as well ( Moroni 8:18, Mormon 9:9).

boyd said...

7. Mormonism taught for half - century that Adam is our Father and our God.

True or False?

True. See Journal of discourses, Volume 1, pages 50 to 51: Volume 4, page 1; and Volume 5, page 331, for examples. Whether Mormons deny it or not is immaterial; that it was taught is historical fact.



8. Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ was a polygamist.

True or False?

True. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 4, page 259.



9. Mormonism teaches that Negroes have dark skin because they are cursed by God, and are an inferior race.

True or False?

True. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 7, page 290. (see also Mormon Doctrine, 10th printing, pages 526-527, in which the general inferiority of the Negro is explained.

This basic doctrine has not been changed---the only difference between the Negroes situation in Mormonism now and prior to June 9th 1978, is that he is entitled to certain privileges which were formerly withheld.)

10. Mormonism teaches that one "should not strive for a special and personal relationship with Christ."

True or False?

True. See "Church News" , Mar. 20, 1982, page 5. This statement was made at a Brigham Young University Devotional March 2, 1982 by Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie. McConkie also made an attack on those who stress a personal relationship with Christ on Nov. 18, 1981 according to Seventh East Press. Such teaching is out of harmony with the Bible. Matt. 11:28, Rev:3:20, Phil. 3:8:10, as well as the Book of Mormon: III Nephi 11:16, 17; 19:18)

11. Mormonism has admitted that they worship a different Jesus and have a concept of the Godhead foreign to Historic Christianity.

True or False?

True. Elder Bernard P. Brockbank of the first Quorum of Seventy stated..."It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshiped by the Mormons of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." ...These two concepts of the trinity and their attributes are completely different." May 1977 Ensign Magazine page 26. In light of Corinthians 11:3-4 we urge Latter-day Saints to come to the REAL JESUS.

boyd said...

To become a Christian you must:

(1) Believe God's Word the Bible.

(2) Repent of your sin: to be sorry for your sin, turn from your sinful life, and obey God's Word for your life.

(3) Place your faith in Jesus, and trust Him for forgiveness of sin believing that they will no longer be held against you. By making Jesus LORD of your life, you willingly OBEY Him and become his SERVANT.

Bob the Anti-Anti said...

Boyd,
I agree with you with the exception that I don't limit God's Word to the Bible. If you can handle me agreeing with you on 2.5 out of three things, then please also accept my sincere thanks for posting comments here.
Bob

boyd said...

In that case you admit to not being a Christian and a believer in false doctrine. You are a slave to your unnatural God. The things you own, PWNED you now.

Walker said...

"In that case you admit to not being a Christian and a believer in false doctrine."

What kind of perverted logic is this? Bob doesn't adhere to the Protestant sola scriptura, therefore he isn't Christian? If that is the case, the 1st century Christians weren't either (considering the Gospels and epistles were added to what was considered scriptural).

"It has been all too easy for sola scriptura scholars to dismiss [esoteric teachings and traditions], and then find themselves constructing theological positions which are not even biblical, because they have ignored the environing traditions which could have illuminated the meaning of the biblical texts." (Margaret Barker, "Temple and Liturgy," Lambeth Palace, June 2009)

Will.I.Am20 said...

"True. Elder Bernard P. Brockbank of the first Quorum of Seventy stated...("It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshiped by the Mormons of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.") ...These two concepts of the trinity and their attributes are completely different."

The quote you used seems more to tell me he said that because we do not believe Jesus is god or that the holy spirit is god