Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Shawn McCraney Calling Me Out? O-bama!

Veggie Tales as a weapon of moron abstraction.

At the close of Shawn McCraney's show tonight, he totally made an insulting call out to me and my friend Larry.  He made an oblique comment to Veggie Tales this Saturday at some bookstore and that Larry and I should be there, calling us veggie names.

Ironic, right.  He won't have me on the show, but he can't resist insulting me on his show.  And of course, in the spirit of fairness, he won't let me respond.

Reminds me of the very accurate statement about ex-mormons and the Church:  They can leave it, but they can't leave it alone.

By the way, Shawn's explanation about Mormons and their relationship to Christ, could not have been more stupid.  Mormons do worship Jesus.  Mormons believe that Jesus is in them, through the Spirit.

Easy quiz, try to keep up:  Did Jesus die?  Yes.  Correct.
What does it mean to die?  According to the Bible, the body without a spirit is dead.  Is that the same for Jesus?  Yes, he gave up the ghost, meaning his spirit left his body, and he was dead.

Was Jesus resurrected?  Yes.  What is resurrection?  The reuniting of the body and spirit, never to die again.

So, is Jesus inside us bodily?  If yes, how is that?
If no, is his spirit in us?  If it is Jesus' spirit, then it separated from his body again, without scriptural precedent (btw).  But what does it mean to separate a body from its spirit?  Death, according to the Bible.

So does Jesus die a whole bunch?  The Bible teaches that Jesus can never die again.

Once again we have the dire shortcomings of Shawn's theology of hatred of anything Mormon, even if it is Biblically true.  In this case, Jesus' spirit does not literally dwell in us.

Or, you can believe in Shawn.  I mean, he doesn't teach the Bible anyway, why change now.


Anonymous said...

Sounds like Shawnie is running out of material. He will probably start back up on Mountain Meadows again, he seems to bring that one up when he can't think of anything else. Maybe he will come on his show dressed like that indian from the Village People this time.

Anonymous said...

"...this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" Col 1:27

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me..." Gal 2:20

"...Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" 2 Cor 13:5

"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith..." Eph 3:17

"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." Romans 8:10

Bob said...

Thank you anonymous, your verses really help fill out the proof of my point. Christ's actual spirit is not in us. Having Christ in us by faith means it is something WE do to get Christ into us. Thus it is a philosophy or attitude, coupled with the Spirit of God. Christ does not die again and again.

...but the Spirit is life...

Christ is in us through His Spirit.

Christ dwells in our hearts in the obvious meaning of those words: As a life attitude. You think he actually physically sits in our hearts? Of course not.

There are many different ideas contained in the "spirit" of Christ dwelling in us:
1. The Spirit of God, sent by Christ.
2. The spirit or direction of Christ which is shed forth, again functionally by the Spirit.
3. The philosophy of being Christ-like.

Thanks again for the supportive notes.

SKHepner said...

Wow, just came across this blog, unbelievable.

Are you that egocentric that you actually think Shawn was talking about YOU when he made the Veggie Tales comment? The names of the actual voices of the VT characters are Bob and Larry you idiot!

Second, "Mormons do Worship Jesus." This is your statement. It's no wonder Shawn won't have you on his show, you don't even know Mormon doctrine. Could McConkie have been more clear when he said, “We worship the Father and him only and no one else. We do not worship the Son and we do not worship the Holy Ghost.”

Anonymous said...

Poor little Mormon-Hater above. They throw little hissy fits when you say anything bad about Shawnie. Awwww, you poor poor little thang.

Bob said...

Bruce R. McConkie had a line of reasoning that basically took John 4:23-24 and said 'God wants people to worship the Father, not the Son". That IS a scriptural position, but I personally believe too narrow in view of other statements in scripture. I have shown, and would be delighted to point your ignorant nose in the correct direction, that we have statements by virtually every president of the LDS Church noting we do worship Jesus. It is also in our hymns, something you would know if you actually ever attended a sacrament meeting. In one of those hymns written by Bruce R McConkie, #134 "I Believe in Christ", in the third verse he writes "I'll worship him [Jesus] with all my might". Ignorance is your bliss, not necessarily mine, on this subject. In other words, even BRM sorted through the contradictory statements of scripture and lands at the official position of the Church, that we do worship Jesus.
From a very easy to find website on the subject: "President Gordon B. Hinckley, prior president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the following statement in 2005 about Joseph Smith:

“We do not worship [Joseph Smith] the Prophet. We worship God our Eternal Father and the risen Lord Jesus Christ."
Try again on who could be more clear on understanding what Mormons actually teach, me or Shawn.

Bob said...

By the way, SK, did you actually listen to the end of the show? He starts to introduce the "Larry and Bob" segment, at 55:36 in his show, he says:
"Ahh, Beavis and... um, um(snaps fingers like he is thinking to remember something, and you hear a voice from off-camera say "Larry")Larry and Bob, Veggie Tales, on September, Saturday, this Saturday, from 11 to 1, at the Lifeway Christian Bookstore in Murray, you got to get down there. Cucumber and tomato man."
Now of course the characters are named Larry and Bob, and they were there. But I doubt very much that Shawn was thinking these innocuous Christian characters are to be confused with Beavis and Butthead, unless his mind is truly twisted. Come on, he was taking a shot at us while promoting the spot. Note he does not say "Beavis and...I mean veggie tales". He says Bevis and... Larry and Bob. And then explains he means Veggie tales. Unless you are truly unaware of his deep animosity towards me and my friend Larry, then I guess your view is totally logical.

Your point, I guess, is Shawn just happens to confuse two amoral, dim-witted, barely literate adolescents with two high profile, Christianity promoting characters. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Jennifer said...

A Reflection of Love
Understanding how God loves us is so important, because the love we allow ourselves to accept from Christ is a reflection of how we love ourselves and one another. When someone believes that Christ “requires” a proof of appreciation, then they are missing the whole point of love. Do we teach our children that when they give someone a gift that they should expect something in return? When we decide to have a child do we do so with a list of expectations of what they will do for us as “proof” of their appreciation to us? Is this the kind of love we want to reflect to our children? When someone gives their heart to Christ being 100% “in” and they trust Jesus above all man, when they accept Jesus into their heart, you truly go through a change in your spirit. You do good deeds not because they are law or a requirement “of proof” but instead you do them out of love for Christ (because he loved you first). Good deeds/actions/works of love are a natural result of Christ living in you and you in him. Do you keep the commandments of Jesus because he tells you to, Or do you keep them because you love him? God knows your heart you cannot hide anything from him. God will know if we truly love Christ by our actions not by our words.
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new" (2 Corinthians 5:17).
Galatians 5:16-18 16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[a] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Bob said...

Heb 5:8-9. 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
You have a wrong view of what is at stake. God is love, and loves everyone. Yet he also expressly teaches he is going to send unrepentant, unbelieving sinners to hell. So while God loves all of his children, he does, from a covenantal perspective, require obedience for them to receive his promised blessings.

Gen 22:15 ¶And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

So the blessing of salvation so often misinterpreted by Born again types, that simply because Abraham believed he was saved is shown by the word of The Lord to be false. While his belief was accounted unto him for righteousness, his obedience is what actually secured the blessings for himself and his posterity.

Thanks for the comments.